Friday 3 January 2014

Once Saved, Always Saved? (part 14)

Thank you for joining us for part XIV of the series... Once Saved, Always Saved?

If you're joining us for the first time, this series is looking at the doctrine of Eternal Security.

Can a believer lose or give up their salvation?

Jesus tells us no, but many people say that Jesus is wrong and give numerous scriptures to back up their claim.

They don't realise that if Jesus is wrong, then He is no longer God. Their faith is in vain as Jesus can't save them.


The people who deny that Jesus tells us the truth do so on the basis of all the verses they say shows we can lose our salvation.

Since Jesus is never wrong, and the bible has no contradictions, this series is an attempt to answer all objections given to the truth of the words of Christ.

We've looked at a number of verses in the past number of weeks, that people use to deny Christ's words and have shown that each and everytime the verses, when read in context, don't say that we can lose our salvation at all.

As a matter of fact, a number of them clearly show we can't lose it. Some aren't even talking about salvation at all.

I don't believe that the people who deny the eternal security aren't saved. I believe that a lot of them have been taught false doctrine, and that they mis-interpret scripture, which is why a lot of these objections can be resolved by just looking at the context.

I do believe, however, that because of the nature of this false gospel, as paul puts it, means that there are false converts amongst the believers.

This is because those who deny eternal security must work, do good, to keep their salvation.

So there are people who believe they are saved because they do good, and in doing so become acceptable to God.

Today, we will be looking at an idea that people say is from scripture and used to show we can lose our salvation.

The idea comes from the fall of Adam.

The idea goes like this...

Adam and Eve were in a "similar state of salvation" in that they had direct access to God.

Once Adam sinned, they lost their "salvation"... direct access to God.

The problem with this idea is that a "type" of salvation, or "similarity" of salvation, is not salvation.

For example, mant leaders in the old testament are said to be types of Christ.

However, no one would say that Moses is the Christ.

To do so would be to take the notion too far, and would be attempting to turn the shadow of a thing into the actual physical thing that the shadow is supposed to be giving us a glimpse into.

Another thing that is wrong with this idea is that it misunderstands what salvation is.

Before the fall, Adam and Eve couldn't be saved as they had no sins. They were righteous... as it were.

What does Jesus tell us about those He's cone for?
Mark 2:17
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, "They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance".
 Righteous people don't need to be saved.

Furthermore, our sin didn't cause us to not be able to have a relationship with God.

If that was true, how could Enoch walk with God?

Our sin causes to be marked for judgement by God.

Salvation is being saved from the righteous judgement (wrath) of God, by God.

The last thing we should note is that salvation, unlike the fall, is dependant on God not man.

God purposefully didn't keep Adam from eating from the tree of good and evil.

God left it to Adam to obey or not.

Salvation, on the other hand, is dependent on God and God alone.

From start to end, salvation is of God.

So, we can see that the fall is not the same as losing ones salvation as these are two separate issues.

Join us next time as we continue looking into whether or not the objections from those that reject the security of God's salvation holds up under scrutiny.

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